iPods, and Suzuki recordings for sale on iTunes?

Jennifer Visick said: May 4, 2006
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A little while back, in another thread, someone posted about a “cold” feeling they got when seeing the video clip in the film Nurtured by Love of the child wearing a tape recorder on his back while playing outside. The poster felt it was somewhat like brainwashing. This was posted in one of the replys:

profcornelia

I find it much more chilling when I see a young child with an iPod listening to pop or rap (which many of them do—our local school system gives iPods as contest rewards for selling the most magazine subscriptions in a yearlf fundraiser) than I would to see a young child listening to portable classical music.

Now I find this kind of funny, because when you see an iPod, that person might actually be listening to classical music (I’ve certainly got some classical music on my own iPod). My idea here is not to get into the pros and cons of listening to classical vs. pop music (I also have pop music on my iPod).

I’m just wondering—why haven’t we got the Suzuki recordings for each instrument for sale in the iTunes music store? Dr. Suzuki was all for harnessing the recording technology of the day in order to make listening possible for as many people as possible. Why aren’t we jumping on the iPod/mp3 player bandwagon? Who owns the copyrights to the recordings?

said: May 4, 2006
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RaineJen—this is actually quite ironic—I also have an iPod , and I have classical, pop and also audiobooks as well as podcasts from NPR that I don’t necessarily want to listen to along with my children. I think the iPod is a great tool for adults (particularly if they have to spend time alone traveling, or running errands, etc— but I don’t approve of them for children. iPods and the like can really shut a person away from the world.

All that said, you can certainly get your Suzuki recordings tranferred to your iPod for no cost—if you have the CDs you are legally allowed to download them onto your own iPod at no cost. There’d be no need to pay 99 cents for the recordings on iTunes since you already own the CD. The only thing you are legally prevented from doing is loaning out your CD for OTHER folks to make copies for their iPods. Personal use is permitted.

When we went on vacation over the last holiday, I had all of the Suzuki recordings transferred to my iPod and I had each child listen to it briefly—they like listening to their recordings but they don’t enjoy using the iPod—the little earbuds bother them and they can’t multitask like an adult can—in other words, I use the iPod when cleaning the house—but to them, the music coming directly into their ears makes them stop and listen—it isn’t the same thing as having it on in the background. They don’t seem able to, say, listen to the iPod and color at the same time (although they can walk and chew gum, so maybe eventually……)

Corinne said: May 4, 2006
 Violin, Piano
44 posts

I like the idea of being able to make a custom playlist for students who are farther along and are listening to many different artists. It’s a hassle for me to make sure to put in a Horowitz CD, a Lipatti CD, Geiseking plays Mozart, plus 3 different Suzuki CD’s for the kids. :shock: In that sense, an iPod would be nice.

That said, I don’t have one because…
1. It’s too easy to miss out on conversation with family and friends because they think you’re busy listening to your music.
2. Listening to Suzuki repertoire is less effective when only the child can hear the music. The practice parent (and younger siblings!) benefit from hearing the CD.
3. iPods are expensive!

Jennifer Visick said: May 4, 2006
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profcornelia

All that said, you can certainly get your Suzuki recordings tranferred to your iPod for no cost—if you have the CDs you are legally allowed to download them onto your own iPod at no cost. There’d be no need to pay 99 cents for the recordings on iTunes since you already own the CD.

Ah, but I was thinking just the opposite reasoning…. there’d be no need to buy the CD if I could download the recordings from iTunes—and I could make my own CD—and vary the number of pieces—as well as the variety of artists—if I wanted to!

I agree with you that iPods, and before them, discmans, and walkmans, and etc., can shut the rest of the world out for a person. I also hate to stand three feet away from a person using one and still ‘hear’ the music from their device—obviously speeding them more quickly towards deafness. But I often plug my iPod into a little set of speakers in my home—so it becomes my own library of music, I can program it to play what I want, from multiple albums, without having to juggle CDs into the CD player.

Cynthia Faisst said: May 16, 2006
Cynthia Faisst
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Violin, Suzuki Early Childhood Education
Irvine, CA
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What is the audio quality of these tiny little things? How does it compare to CD’? Is the sound only dependant on the head phones. Does it do single repeats. One of my students told me that they don’t. I don’t want to spend money on something untill it has some features to offer.

As a music teacher who misses the news everynight and can’t get all my music listening in I am more than happy to multi task when I am getting exersize. Drives me crazy to go for a walk and not be able to do something constructive while I’m at it.

Does anything with electro static impulses in your neighborhood interfere with them? I hate trying to listen to the radio when going for a walk when the nieghbor hood is full of electric lines and security systems. Sometimes I want to multitask while I am shopping for groceries and the electric motors in the place won’t’ give me any peace not to mention the cash registers. I am forced to listening to a lot of things when I finally go shopping I don’t want to hear adnausium. I sometimes wonder if that is why I avoid shopping.

I used to work out at the Bally’s but their equipment will not allow me to listen to the news and music I want to listen to iether. Once again too many motors. I want to hear my noise not theirs.

What else can I use an I-Pod for. I want to know more before I spend my money. It also looks like I have to pay for some content. What are the complications for someone who does want to consume a wide variety of music from classical to world ethnic. As well as listen to things like NPR and BBC.

Can you get the Classical Arts Showcase on it yet?

I am sure Suzuki Sensei would have been amused and intrigued by this device. But I am sure he would have put it through its paces before arriving at a final decision.

Ms. Cynthia
Studio:
Talent Education Center: Suzuki Violin
Director of Santa Ana Suzuki Strings located at the
Orange County Children’s Therapeutic Arts Center
Volunteer, bring music to under-served communities around the world. Create Sound Investments and Futures.

said: May 16, 2006
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Ms. Cynthia,

There are a lot of things you can do with an iPod that I believe you would find useful. First, the sound can be quite incredible—the earbuds that come with the device are ok—but you can get far superior headphones for about $40-60 which make the sound incredible (at least I tthink so). You are allowed to download any material you already own on CD for free and you can create playlists to put them in any order you want. You can also sort by genre, etc.

There is NO static or interference from outside sources—the sound is always pure. I use mine at the grocery store and running errands mainly to multi-task, block out noise, and also discourage idle chatter with strangers when I am not in the mood for it (sometimes I am, but not always!).

You do have to pay for some content—most songs cost 99 cents, and there are special compilations of albums that cost about the same price as a CD, sometimes less. You can buy audio-books at the same price they are on CD. There is also TONS and TONS of free content—NPR, BBC, and just a wide variety of educational and entertainment podcasts that are all free. Recently, an interview with Edmund Sprunger about helping parents practice was available.

What is a classical arts showcase? There is a lot of classical music available—all the best recordings, in my opinion. I think the sound is better than a CD and it never gets scratched, skips, etc.

I don’t listen to mine every day—but I do listen to it a couple of times a week—on a recent plane trip, it was a godsend. If you get “stuck” waiting somepleace, it is a great thing to have. It’s not just music, there is a lot of other audio content. Id on’t have the video iPod because I don’t think my eyesight is good enough to look at such a small screen, but I have the nano and I think 1,000 songs is plenty for me!

Connie Sunday said: May 16, 2006
Connie SundayViolin, Piano, Viola
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The offered choices do not cover my situation because I already have all the Suzuki recordings for violin, viola and piano, but I think it would be okay to have them available to other people, particularly students.

I do think they should be available online, so that if people have their lap (or PDA?) with them, they can access the music, without having to carry all the CD’s around. This is probably the thing of the future, at least I would think so.

Free Handouts for Music Teachers & Students:
http://beststudentviolins.com/library.html#handouts

Jennifer Visick said: May 19, 2006
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Ms. Cynthia

Does it do single repeats.

Does anything with electro static impulses in your neighborhood interfere with them?

What else can I use an I-Pod for. I want to know more before I spend my money. It also looks like I have to pay for some content. What are the complications for someone who does want to consume a wide variety of music from classical to world ethnic. As well as listen to things like NPR and BBC.

Can you get the Classical Arts Showcase on it yet?

Yes, it does single repeats (or at least my nano does, I don’t know about the older models). It shuffles songs (or albums). It repeats albums. It repeats playlists. You’d have to check online to see if your favorite NPR or BBC radio shows are broadcast (that is to say, “podcast”) online. If you want to listen to the radio, you may be better off buying a device that is an FM/AM radio reciever as well as an MP3 player. —although you can buy an extra attachment for the nano that allows you to use it to listen to the radio.

Since you’re posting online I assume you have a decent computer with internet access; you do need one in order to use the ipod the way it was designed to be used.

Regarding sound quality—it’s very nice, equal to or better than a CD, assuming you’ve got good headphones or speakers. Mine has an equalizer function, I can program my computer to use different settings on each song, and the iPod will pick up those settings for me.

Other stuff you can do with an iPod? Besides listening to any kind of audio you want—books on tape, educational podcasts (I’m using mine to try to teach myself chinese), sermons (I’ve downloaded my pastor’s sermons a few times when I’ve been unable to attend my church service), if you get a nano you can also……

~ play games—mine came with a few, including a “name that tune” game… (it uses random clips from whatever you’ve put on your iPod)

~ store data—any kind of computer data. Pictures, word documents, spreadsheets. You can use it like a really, really large floppy disk, or a big memory stick,—just so long as the computer has a usb port (and you bring your usb to iPod connecting cord along with you).

~ keep time. Yes, it has a clock. It’s an alarm clock. It has a sleep timer. You can tell it to keep time in several different time zones if you want to. It’s also a stopwatch that stores your times with dates and time-of-day for each stopwatch session (nice for listening to music while working out and trying to keep track of laps…). I find the alarm clock and sleep timer functions best when I plug it into external speakers.

~ use it as a picture album. (yes it does have a tiny screen, but it’s no worse than if you try to show off your pictures on that little screen in the back of your digital camera…..

…..all that’s on the Nano. You can buy the video iPods—then you can watch videos on the iPod as well. (Bored travellers with delayed flights, anyone?)

One of the things I enjoy is being able to have several different artist’s recordings of the same song played one after another for comparison’s sake without having to switch CDs.[/box]

Cynthia Faisst said: May 22, 2006
Cynthia Faisst
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Irvine, CA
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Thank you . That was really helpful. I’m temped to take the gift certificut I received from students for Christmas for Best Buy and check them out.

It sounds like it would do some of the data storage I used to use my PDA for. Makes me wish I waited before spending money on a jump drive.

There isn’t any possibility that it displays phone numbers or a calander? How about a to do list.
I miss my PDA that way.

I’m one of those people who find myself sitting in the grocerry parking lot so I can finish listening to an NPR News cast.

I miss a lot of news when I’m teaching after school.

Ms. Cynthia
Studio:
Talent Education Center: Suzuki Violin
Director of Santa Ana Suzuki Strings located at the
Orange County Children’s Therapeutic Arts Center
Volunteer, bring music to under-served communities around the world. Create Sound Investments and Futures.

Jennifer Visick said: May 26, 2006
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Yes, you can set it up to display a calendar, a to-do list, and beep at you with alarms for cerain events. It also has a phonebook/contacts function.

And you can display text documents on it as well.

(With my nano, you have to have good eyesight to use these functions cause the screen and the font size are so small).

You can syncronize these things with microsoft outlook or palm desktop software.

However, you can’t enter stuff onto the ipod itself, you have to go through your computer. It is, after all, primarily a music listening device…..

Grace said: Jun 16, 2006
 Violin
110 posts

Does anyone have suggestions for speakers for their ipod?

My sister just gave me her old ipod (she wants to get a nano—lucky for me!!) I already have a 512 MB Shuffle for working out and carrying around, but it obviously can’t hold my entire music collection. I would like to use the 30GB ipod to load up all of my CDs and listen to it through speakers…

Any suggestions on what to get?

Kelly Williamson said: Oct 25, 2006
Kelly WilliamsonTeacher Trainer Flute, Suzuki Early Childhood Education
Cambridge, ON
262 posts

I use my iPod quite a lot in my teaching. I have stored all kinds of recordings of the Suzuki repertoire, including alternate versions of the book 1 repertoire as well as multiple recordings of more advanced repertoire, so that I can listen with my students, discuss, and compare. It is much easier than bringing a bunch of CDs. I have also occasionally downloaded music that I did not already own… very convenient, quick, and even cheap. In addition, I’ve stored recordings of opera arias which I sometimes teach as solos, orchestral excerpts, symphonic works that I commonly work on with students, and supplemental pop and jazz music for flute (e.g. Jethro Tull, Bolling Suite, Riverdance) that it is fun for students to hear.

I have a portable combination speaker and case from Sonic Impact which was a gift from a friend… it’s very convenient and the sound quality is very good. My husband has a Bose iPod dock—the sound is probably superior, but it is not as portable as the iFusion from Sonic Impact. (I also have a sort of transmitter that sends the sound from the iPod through a nearby radio which has been set to receive the frequency. It works quite well, but the sound isn’t nearly as good, and it takes a few minutes to set up. It’s not as practical for teaching, but it is the cheapest option, and very portable, as long as there is a radio at your destination. I once sent it through a $4 clock radio at an institute!)

It’s great. When I’m stuck somewhere (like a waiting room) and didn’t bring something to do, I can catch up on listening. If a child comes in having fallen at school and bumped his lip (as has happened) we can have a listening lesson, and I have a whole bunch of stuff at my fingertips.

Yes, i love my iPod! :D

Kelly

Christine said: Oct 26, 2006
 Violin
22 posts

I have an ipod—a 30GB model—and I have most of my CDs on it and it is only half full. What I like most about it is that I have all of my media in one place. We went on vacation and took the ipod instead of CDs. We had all of our Suzuki records, classical, jazz, books on tape, etc with us on the ipod. We have a stereo cable by Nyko that allows us to hook our ipod directly to our stereo or the stereo in the rental house we stayed in. The sound is great.

Don’t overlook itunes. It’s a free download from apple and is great for storing and organizing your media on your computer. It’s quite useful even if you don’t own an ipod. If you have decent computer speakers, you can store your music on your computer and play the music through your speakers like a stereo. You can create customized play lists. For example, I have various combinations of our Suzuki recordings in different playlists. This morning we listened to our Suzuki books 3,2,4 playlist. I turned on the shuffle feature and we had over an hour of Suzuki music, never knowing which piece was coming next.

Jennifer Visick said: Apr 5, 2007
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Has anyone on the forum got one of the video ipods?

(and, looking into the future, is anyone planning to get one of the iPhones which are scheduled to appear next summer?)

I’m thinking about purchasing a video iPod and using it to plug into my tv to show clips of different performers (as opposed to having to pre-set a bunch of different videos or scroll through a lot of dvd menus during a lesson).

-Jenny-

Megan said: Aug 30, 2007
Megan Holland
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Violin
Albuquerque, NM
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I have an 80G video iPod and it is so convenient. I almost never use it with earphones. I have an iHome (like a clock radio with a dock for iPod) and also an adapter to play it through our car radio. I have a violin playlist that has hundreds of tracks on it. I put it on shuffle and I never know what’s coming next. I also have the Suzuki CDs on there as well.

We got ours basically for free. There’s a music store in Charleston, SC called Millennium Music (I think you can Google it) that has a trade CDs for iPods deal. I downloaded all the music from the CDs I was giving them onto iTunes and then gave them a bunch of CDs. They counted them and called me a few days later and told me I could have an 80G iPod for $8. I think they do it through the mail, too, although you would have to pay shipping. I never could have afforded it otherwise.

Jennifer Visick said: Oct 7, 2007
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kewi

I use my iPod quite a lot in my teaching. I have stored all kinds of recordings of the Suzuki repertoire, including alternate versions of the book 1 repertoire as well as multiple recordings of more advanced repertoire, so that I can listen with my students, discuss, and compare. It is much easier than bringing a bunch of CDs. I have also occasionally downloaded music that I did not already own…

speaking of downloading alternate versions of the repertoire, would you care to share a list of your alternate book 1 recordings? I know it would be specific to your instrument, but it would be interesting to see what you have come up with. I’ve been thinking about coming up with something like this for a while, but haven’t gotten around to it yet.

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