Mozart trills?

Carol Gwen said: Aug 19, 2009
Carol Gwen Kiefer
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Violin, Viola
Washington Crossing, PA
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OK, a poll. Mozart No.4. The trills, do they start on the note? Above the note? Or both?

What do you do :?:

Connie Sunday said: Aug 21, 2009
Connie SundayViolin, Piano, Viola
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I think the upper note start of trills is characteristic of baroque performance practice, not Mozart. There are a few in Beethoven, but (IIRC), he very specifically writes them out.

As I’m sure you know, musicians were expected to improvise and ornament works, in the baroque era. I think Mozart was very fussy about this, and wanted performers to play only what he indicated, not adding anything. (He, of course, was a master at improvisation, but I think—especially with singers—he didn’t want the musicians to follow that practice.)

This is my dim recollection, though I of course could be mistaken.

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Carol Gwen said: Aug 21, 2009
Carol Gwen Kiefer
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Violin, Viola
Washington Crossing, PA
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I listened to a Perlman performance from 1983, he starts the trills from above.

Also on utube Julia Fischer and Hilary Hahn start from above. :confused:

However, I understand this is taught with the trills beginning on the the note.

Is there really a sudden split in time when performers stopped the one and started the other?

Connie Sunday said: Aug 23, 2009
Connie SundayViolin, Piano, Viola
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That surprises me that Perlman and Fischer and Hahn do that, but in musicology there’s generally never a sharp line where every composer starts a new practice; it’s always overlapping.

I guess when you study music history, it seems like that, but those dates are always approximate and don’t apply to everyone at the same time.

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Carol Gwen said: Aug 23, 2009
Carol Gwen Kiefer
Suzuki Association Member
Violin, Viola
Washington Crossing, PA
75 posts

I agree that there is always overlap from one style to another. Bach was considered old fashioned by the end of his career.

Some think Beethoven began the Romance period therefore all Beethoven should be interpreted according to the romantic idiom yet his first symphony sounds classical.

Mainly, I want to know about trills for Mozart’s 4th violin concerto. I am teaching the piece and would like imput.

Elizabeth Ortiz said: Sep 2, 2009
Elizabeth Ortiz
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Violin, Viola
Cary, IL
14 posts

I start all Mozart trills from above.

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