Copyright material?

Connie Sunday said: Dec 19, 2008
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I’m a little surprised. This page was brought to my attention, which is a free download of one of the Suzuki books:

http://tinyurl.com/46efae

is this material not under copyright?

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Jennifer Visick said: Dec 19, 2008
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I can’t open that link as my firewall software doesn’t allow tinyurl sites to be accessed.

But as far as I know, the FORMAT- that is, the logo, the book and the way it is printed, the typesetting, any editing or arranging, any pictures, the Suzuki name and trademark etc.,- is under copyright protection, and the songs written by Suzuki are as well. But the rest of the music is in the public domain and can be distributed in various other formats (other books, etc).

Connie Sunday said: Dec 19, 2008
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Here’s the initial page:

http://www.4shared.com/

I looked at this stuff until I got tired, and found the following, mostly uploaded by different people:

Suzuki Violin books 1-10
Suzuki Violin, Piano Accompaniments (zip)
Suzuki Violin, 2nd violin parts to books 1-3
Suzuki Violin books 1-10 (zip)
Suzuki Piano books 1-7
Suzuki Viola books 1, 3 and 4

There are thousands of Suzuki uploads on there. I find this odd.

Do the Suzuki folks know about this?

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Lynn said: Dec 19, 2008
 
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Do the Suzuki folks know about this?

I believe it’s the publisher Summy-Birchard that holds the copyright.

Connie Sunday said: Dec 19, 2008
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>> I believe it’s the publisher Summy-Birchard that holds the copyright.

Yes; that’s what I meant by “Suzuki folks.” :D

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Community Youth Orchestra said: Dec 26, 2008
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There’s a wealth of material under copyright that is now being offered through both file-sharing networks and websites. The uploaders of all these books and recordings are committing copyright infringement as I’m fairly sure none of them has the permission of the publisher to reproduce and distribute the content, but enforcement has been rather lax I’m afraid.

What I think might be best to combat this is for Suzuki to publish and sell an electronic version of the books (print-quality PDF), along with MP3 (or Ogg or FLAC, or some higher quality compressed audio format) versions of the listening material. Major publishers for school band and orchestra music have already begun doing this, and there’s been a big push by lots of consumers to obtain digital downloads of products they would normally acquire in stores (look at audio recordings and movies, books, video games). A high-quality publisher-created version (rather than just scans) that can be updated on a regular basis (thinking of all the dissent over the revised book 1) is a benefit for everyone.

Connie Sunday said: Dec 26, 2008
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As an addendum to this: I sent a note to Alfred’s (and cc’d the download company), since on the SheetMusicPlus page, it says the material is published by Alfred’s. When I searched on Summy Birchard Inc., which was the publisher, initially, I could not determine if they were located in Florida, NJ or Rockerfeller Center, NY.

I don’t know if this is relevant, but since some of the Suzuki books have been reissued recently, amidst much controversy, and the new ones are on sale now, I wonder if this is a copyright infringement still?

Probably it is, though. I will post the responses from Alfred’s and the 4share company, if any.

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Connie Sunday said: Dec 26, 2008
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Well, you know, someone—who will remain nameless—suggested to me earlier today that he wouldn’t care to download anything from there because the company could be subpoenaed and everyone who downloaded the material could be sued.

This strikes me as unlikely; there are perhaps a thousand illegal uploads on there of illegal sheet music and sound files from the Suzuki materials, from a very diverse group of individuals, and I think they would be the ones in trouble, if anyone would be (aside from the company itself).

The company, BTW, wrote me back and wanted my full name, address and “contact number,” stating that, and this is a quote:

>> Could you please provide us also with your full name, contact phone number and address? We have introduced a new tool to inform our users about copyrighted stuff and we do need this info to ban the files and prevent further controversy. Thank you for your cooperation!

To which I responded:

Certainly not. I don’t want to be involved in this. Are you able to use your own search engine? Please don’t ask me to do anything further. I am just informing you that you have hundreds of scans of what I think are copyrighted materials from the Suzuki pedagogy books, originally published by Summy-Birchard, and now (I believe) published by Alfreds.

Please do not require anything more of me. This is not my affair and I it’s not fair to ask anything more of me. If you don’t care to attend to it, I’m sure that Alfreds will, if they think it’s appropriate to do so.

and

You know Kate, on reflection, this makes absolutely no sense to me. Why would you need my “full name, contact phone number and address” in order to “ban the files and prevent further controversy”?

The real issue, for me, is the following:
Do the new editions of the Suzuki books, which recently have begun to come out amid much controversy [see discussion on the SSA board:
https://suzukiassociation.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=1893 ] —override the old copyright on the Summy-Birchard eds?

Whether one likes or approves of it, or not, when laws are in place, you disobey these at your own peril.

This whole issue is interesting to me, because the Suzuki materials are the bread-and-butter of untold numbers of private teachers, Suzuki trained or not. I don’t have any hard data, but I would guess (and it is a guess) that perhaps half (?) of the purchase of Suzuki books and recordings is done by non-Suzuki oriented teachers, and their students.

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Community Youth Orchestra said: Dec 26, 2008
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I don’t believe they “override” the copyright on the original books. They are separate works, each with their own ISBN, year published, and staff responsible for editing.

Connie Sunday said: Dec 31, 2008
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gwie

I don’t believe they “override” the copyright on the original books. They are separate works, each with their own ISBN, year published, and staff responsible for editing.

I took the extra step to try to contact Summy-Birchard, and all of the phone numbers associated with their presence in Florida, New Jersey and New York, are no longer working numbers. So it may be (I have no idea) that the old Suzuki books are no longer under copyright? OR, that Summy-Birchard no longer exists.

This is probably somehow related to the new editions of the books which are coming out, but honestly, it really isn’t any of my business, and I’m done.

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Jennifer Visick said: Dec 31, 2008
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Connie Sunday said: Dec 31, 2008
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RaineJen

I believe Summy-Birchard is now owned by Alfred

I believe you’re right. I emailed Alfred’s, but they haven’t gotten back to me yet, probably because they’re closed for the holidays and won’t be open until next Monday. The company in question emailed me and said they removed the Suzuki materials, but they didn’t. At present, a search on “Suzuki violin” reveals 380 files, something like that. And that’s just violin; doesn’t include the four viola, the flute, cello, an entire set of the piano books, and perhaps the zip files of the accompaniment books for violin, and a zip for all of the violin books. Oh, and I’ve not mentioned all the MP3 files from the Suzuki CD’s!

They emailed me again today and wanted the URL to Alfred’s which I gave them, plus I gave the page on the Alfred’s which lists Alfred’s copyright materials, including Summy-Birchard and Suzuki International.

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Jennifer Visick said: Jan 1, 2009
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gwie

…What I think might be best to combat this is for Suzuki to publish and sell an electronic version of the books (print-quality PDF), along with MP3 (or Ogg or FLAC, or some higher quality compressed audio format) versions of the listening material. Major publishers for school band and orchestra music have already begun doing this, and there’s been a big push by lots of consumers to obtain digital downloads of products they would normally acquire in stores…

I second this. There is no good reason why audio and visual downloads should not be available on iTunes or even direct from Alfred’s own website. If anyone is worried about audio quality, Alfred could take a page from linnrecords.com and offer high quality as well as mp3 compressed audio for downloading.

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