Pre-twinkle violin pieces

said: Sep 8, 2005
 103 posts

Hello all,

I just have been trying to find the post about different pre-twinkle “songs”/pieces that can be used prior to learning twinkle and can’t seem to see it anywhere.

Anyway, I really would like to know what the different pieces are. I know about “See the Little Flowers” and “See the Little Monkey”, as well as using the a scale with the various rhythms.

What were some of the others that some of you were talking about. (sorry I can’t remember what you called them). :D

Thanks!

Rachel Schott said: Sep 9, 2005
Rachel SchottViolin
Harrogate, TN
127 posts

We play the Twinkle Duet—One Twinkle rhythm on the E string every other time. So they hear * then they play * , then listen, then play while the melody is going on around them.

Other than that, I think you’ve covered it.
Do you have parts to the E string and A string Concerti?

said: Sep 9, 2005
 103 posts

Yes I do use the E & A string Concerto’s as well, depending on whether a child needs them. I just forgot to mention them last time I posted.

But some of you were mentioning something about rabbit’s or was it a Kangaroo? I can’t remember, anyway, I’m just curious to know how the other pieces went, or what their focus was. Were they just fancy names for the scales and arpeggio’s?

said: May 5, 2006
 18 posts

How does one go about listing the monkey song on a recital program? “See the Little Monkey” ?? And what/whom do you list in the composer slot? Unfortunately, I taught my students the “I’M a little monkey, climbing up a ladder ….” version, so I can just imagine the look on everybody’s face when I announce who’s going to play the “I’m a Little Monkey” song. :oops:

said: May 5, 2006
 44 posts

Our teacher lists it as “The Monkey Song,” and the composes is Anon.

said: May 6, 2006
 103 posts

Hi Violinmusic,

Could you explain what you mean by this?

leprechaun song on E
bunny song
leprehcuan song on A

I’ve never heard of the leprechaun song before. What does the student play for it?

When you listed all the pieces together, do you mean that you have the student perform it like that? One after the other? Or were you just listing all the steps/pieces you would go through before getting to twinkle?

Thanks!

said: May 6, 2006
 9 posts

Here’s a pre-Twinkle that I use that’s not well known in the Suzuki community but should be- it’s terrific!

It’s a Russian folktune—well known to dancers—called Korobushka. You can find a midi file and notes for the TEACHER’s melody here:

http://richwalt.com/~glinka/music/korobushka.html

but you should transpose it up to A minor if you want to stick to the A/E dominant Suzuki beginning position. The music is printed ABB on this web site but I usually start with just AB form.

The student’s part—which we first do as pizz—is:

EEE(rest) AAA EEE AAA then
DDD AAA EEE AAA

Actually, I teach it as a “dance” first—patting head for E, hands on waist for A, knees for D. For littlest ones, it starts as clap-clap-clap-rest.

Later we do it bowed—the rests are for floating the arm to the next bow level position.

Still later, I use it for G string level: do the B part twice, with the second time having a special ending: rest rest rest low A.

During the three rests, you’re thinking about swinging the elbow under, placing the first finger, and getting the bow arm to the right level.

Non players that are still doing the dance can add three (very satisfying!) foot stamps during the rests.

I’ve been thinking about posting this for some time—I hope some of you try it out. I especially like it because it’s MINOR! (sorry, but the relentless major-Baroque sound of early Suzuki rep just GETS to me sometime.)

said: May 8, 2006
 103 posts

I love this idea Pandora! For the main melody, do you have the piano play it? Or do you play it on your violin, while the pre-twinkler’s pizz / play on the open strings?

The student’s part—which we first do as pizz—is:

EEE(rest) AAA EEE AAA then
DDD AAA EEE AAA

Is this part ‘A’ or ‘B’ or both? Or is the first line for ‘A’, and the second line for ‘B’? (with repeats of course!?) According to the site you gave the link for, both ‘A’ & ‘B’ have eight measures in them.

Just want to make sure I get it correctly! :D Thanks!

said: May 8, 2006
 9 posts

Yup, the first line is the A and the second the B part. Since I teach alone, I play the melody on either piano or violin as the mood strikes me.

This is a very flexible little tune, and lends itself easily to lots of variation—I tend to return to it for lots of bowing practices (colle`, etc). It’s also fun to do things like alternate between long/broad/forte and short/crisp/piano—line by line, phrase by phrase, measure by measure, teacher does one style while student does the other, you name it.
Another variation is to increase each phrase to four notes, so the bow level change has to happen faster.

This particular website doesn’t list the tune the way I play it—a little poking around will give you more options, just pick the one that fits you.

said: May 8, 2006
 103 posts

Thanks Violinmusic! I can see that this may be useful for a younger student.

Pandora, Thanks for clearing up my confusion! On the site that you posted before, do you play the melody simular to how the midi file plays it? The midi, doesn’t seem to match the rhythm that the piano part has written.

Or is your melody more along the lines of this site:

http://www.kaikracht.de/balalaika/english/songs/koro_mel.htm

Actually I think almost any place I heard it on the internet yesterday, the melody was slightly different or made fancy with extra notes.

Debbie said: May 8, 2006
Debbie MiViolin
138 posts

This is really great!

I just finished teaching a lesson to a student who is working on a Russian Fantasie by L. Portnoff (available from Shar Music). It uses this same Russian folk tune (or at least one that sounds almost exactly the same!) as the basis of the Fantasie!!! :)

said: May 8, 2006
 9 posts

Here’s my tune: (a period implies a dotted quarter/eighth rhythm)

e. g# b g# / a. C E DC / B. C D E / C A A (r)/

D. F A GF / E. E E DC / B. C D E / C A A (r)/

That’s the simplest version. One of my things is to get more and more florid—trills, runs, double stops, you name it, real flamboyant hair-tossing diva stuff—each time, while they stick right to their three pizz’s with rock solid tenacity. Lots of giggles, and excellent musicianship training. One of the reasons I will never teach full-blown formalized Suzuki in a group/school situation is that I just plain like to mess around too much, and so do my students.

Anna said: Aug 24, 2011
 145 posts

what is the A string and E string Concerti ?

Anna said: Jan 3, 2013
 145 posts

What is the flower song?
Thanks

Paula Bird said: Jan 3, 2013
 
Suzuki Association Member
Violin, Piano, Viola
Wimberley, TX
386 posts

Mississippi hotdog rhythm played on these notes:

E string
F#
E string
A string

Marilyn O’Boyle came up with it and words too to make a tiny pre-Twinkle step of the first few notes of Twinkle and the string crossing from E to A strings.

Paula E. Bird
TX State University
Wildflower Suzuki Studio
http://teachsuzuki.blogspot.com (blog)
http://teachsuzuki.com (podcast)

Barb said: Jan 4, 2013
Barb Ennis
Suzuki Association Member
Cello
678 posts

Has anyone here used Magic Carpet by Joanne Martin?

I have the cello book, but haven’t yet had a beginner to try it with (I will later this month!). The beginner student has Twinkle rhythms and the melody is played as a duet by the teacher or reading student. The book has cello, violin, and viola melody parts, and there is a piano acc book as well. A CD is included in the student book.

The Twinkle Rhythm parts are mostly open strings. The first pieces use just one open string, some use two open strings, and a few use open and 4th finger (I imagine the violin part would be open-3), and one uses a full octave scale.

I’m excited about trying it!

Barb
Music Teachers Helper—for individual teachers
Studio Helper—for entire music studios or schools

Paula Bird said: Jan 4, 2013
 
Suzuki Association Member
Violin, Piano, Viola
Wimberley, TX
386 posts

Flower Song and Monkey song are composed by Marilyn O’Boyle. The article about the songs’ creation can be found in the American Suzuki Jounal but I’m not sure what issue. Article is called “Pre-Twinkle Songs” by Marilyn O’Boyle.

Leprechaun and Kangaroo I think we’re in an old book by the Maurer’s. I can’t find my copy right now to verify. Kangaroo was like Monkey but on E string, and coming down was hop-hop-Hop on each note, then left hand pizz across all 4 strings while student yells “stop!”

Leprechaun was Miss. hot dog rhythm on E-F#-E-F# singing “leprechauns are short, short.”

We love Magic Carpet!

Paula E. Bird
TX State University
Wildflower Suzuki Studio
http://teachsuzuki.blogspot.com (blog)
http://teachsuzuki.com (podcast)

Paula Bird said: Jan 4, 2013
 
Suzuki Association Member
Violin, Piano, Viola
Wimberley, TX
386 posts

Sorry for typos. I used my phone and auto-”correct” was on.

Paula E. Bird
TX State University
Wildflower Suzuki Studio
http://teachsuzuki.blogspot.com (blog)
http://teachsuzuki.com (podcast)

Tina Raimondi said: Jan 25, 2013
Tina Raimondi
Suzuki Association Member
Violin
Wilton Manors, FL
26 posts

I have lost my E string concerto accompaniment!! Could someone be so kind as to let me know if you could scan and email it to me? If so, I’ll message you my email address.

Thanks in advance,
Tina

Phankao said: Jan 15, 2014
Phankao WanPiano, Viola, Violin
128 posts

May I have the E string concerto accompaniment too? Thanks!

Laura said: Feb 11, 2014
Laura Mozena
Suzuki Association Member
Violin
Palm City, FL
105 posts

I just wanted to share a resource page that I just created. It has a lot of Pre-Twinkle songs for violin or cello. Please check it out!

http://violin.yourmusicsupply.com/suzuki-pre-twinkle-songs/

Jennifer Visick said: Feb 12, 2014
Jennifer VisickForum Moderator
Suzuki Association Member
Viola, Suzuki in the Schools, Violin
997 posts

Hi Laura, that link doesn’t seem to go anywhere.

Laura said: Feb 14, 2014
Laura Mozena
Suzuki Association Member
Violin
Palm City, FL
105 posts
Lisa said: Feb 28, 2014
Lisa Toner
Suzuki Association Member
Violin
Seattle, WA
4 posts

Thank goodness for Pre-Twinkle songs! :)

Did anyone mention Mrs. Twinkle Stop-Stop? Uses Twinkle Variation A and teaches string crossings. Mrs. Twinkle is my rabbit finger puppet and the kids seem to love her. For kids who need things broken into really small steps, you can teach it first with the “bunny” hand, then air bow, then put it on the violin.

words:

Mrs. Twinkle Stop Stop
[tip your bow to A string]
See Her ears go flop-flop
[elbow drop to E string]
Mrs. Twinkle Stop Stop
[tip your bow to A string]
She can really hop hop.
Hop…hop…hop! [A, rest, E, rest, A]

Elizabeth said: Apr 29, 2015
 Cello, Violin
2 posts

I love the idea for Korobushka and can’t wait to try it with my cello students!

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