Kreddle

Katherine said: Sep 15, 2014
 
Suzuki Association Member
Violin
75 posts

Has anyone tried the Kreddle or familiar with it?

http://www.kreddle.com/

A parent of one of my students discovered the website on her own and ordered one for her child. This student just turned 11, is in Book I and I just moved her to a 3/4 size violin. The student does not like the bump on the Guarnari chin rest that came with the instrument. I had recommended we try a shallow/flatter chin rest, but the parent decided to order this instead.

I am just wondering if anyone else has students using it, and if it has been found to be superior to other options that were tried.

It has a lot of adjustment options that seem like they could be helpful.

This student has struggled a little with getting comfortable with holding the instrument, and tends to have drooping posture. She can demonstrate excellent posture when standing in play position, but when she begins to play, particularly a working piece, often reverts to problematic posture—hunched over and head not balanced/stacked.

Heather Figi said: Sep 15, 2014
Heather FigiViolin
Eugene, OR
97 posts

I just heard of this thru the forum here. I think I may get one for myself.

I am logging on to suggest listening to the creators youtube lecture on this product. It covers some really great points on posture that I am personally benefiting from as well as hope to pass onto my students. Also, it offers some new perspectives on posture that I personally find intriguing:

link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k3ikzIRkr0U

Also, you can read a very through review of the product here:
link
http://www.thecontrapuntist.com/2014/01/10/review-kreddle-the-first-fully-adjustable-chin-rest/

Perhaps these will help you evaluate. At around $89 this is something I personally will be learning a little more about before I order.

Katherine said: Sep 15, 2014
 
Suzuki Association Member
Violin
75 posts

Thank you Heather. I watched these videos this weekend and I also found them very interesting and helpful. Does it seem to you that the product design is sort of based on the particular challenges faced by a tall player?

Thanks for the review. I agree—I feel I need more info before I can tell the parent yes or no—however the parent went ahead and purchased based on what she saw on the website, and wants me to install it on the violin tomorrow!

Katherine said: Sep 16, 2014
 
Suzuki Association Member
Violin
75 posts

On this general topic of chinrest fitting, I found this article which I thought might be of interest to all:

http://www.revisemysite.com/pdfs/102-Chinrest-Choice-%20Original.pdf

This was a 2005 study of 50 kids in 3 studios in Northern VA. Trying to determine what jaw types worked best with what style of rest. I thought it was interesting that he notes that the Guarneri chinrest is the most commonly used rest, but fits few kids well.

Heather Figi said: Sep 16, 2014
Heather FigiViolin
Eugene, OR
97 posts

Thanks —Will you please let me know your thoughts on the kreddle and what type of violinists this will be most idea for?

I do intend to purchase for myself this fall but would love feedback.

I have no problem with the higher price for this in theory however, it makes it a little more challenging for me to recommend to the families I work with until I have more direct experience and teacher referrals.

Best wishes,
H

Irene Mitchell said: Sep 17, 2014
Irene Mitchell
Suzuki Association Member
Violin, Viola
Dallas, TX
111 posts

Hi Katherine!
Having back issues myself, I was gratified that Jordan Hayes (inventor of the Kreddle) was attuned to musculoskeletal problems inherent in violin/viola playing.
I was delighted to support the Kreddle during the kickstarter days, and have been very happy with the daily adjustability of the Kreddle, depending on my back pain ‘du jour’.
I also use a Bonmusica shoulder rest, which helps my particular shoulder/neck configuration. For students, I use shaped sponges, Kun shoulder rests, Willy Wolf or Bonmusica shoulder rests, as well as Guarneri or Wittner chin rests.

In college, my teacher insisted that I play without a shoulder rest, which was a logical choice for his short neck- but unfortunately, not for mine.
I believe it is our responsibility to fit the violin to the student’s best posture,
and to be aware that as the student grows, we must adjust the violin’s accessories to his/her changing physique.

Hope that helps, and good luck!
:o)
Irene

Irene Mitchell

Katherine said: Sep 18, 2014
 
Suzuki Association Member
Violin
75 posts

Irene—Thank you for sharing your experience.
Heather—I will report back here on how our experience with it goes!

Christine Clougherty said: Sep 18, 2014
 
Suzuki Association Member
Piano
19 posts

I know this has been a violin thread, but here are some tips for piano teachers for protecting the neck and back (I had a fairly serious problem last year, and now it is quiet, but dormant)…First, since Suzuki teachers usually have two pianos, think about switching pianos daily or at least weekly. One day I am on the right, the next day, the left. Also, please purchase a good chair. Not the best for playing serious piano (because it rolls), but for teaching for 3-5 hours, a must. I purchased the Gohkale pain free chair, and I cannot tell you the difference that makes! Also, I stand much more, and do stretches and other isometrics that the physical therapists taught me.

Jennifer Visick said: Sep 20, 2014
Jennifer VisickForum Moderator
Suzuki Association Member
Viola, Suzuki in the Schools, Violin
998 posts

I’m using a kreddle right now on my viola. I found that (like the BonMusica I’m also using) you have to be prepared to take some time to adjust it, over many days, and not make too many adjustments too quickly, in order to discover which placement option works best for you. It does seem like it might not go as low as some people need (my neck is on the longer side, so the height was what I was after)

I used to use the tallest SAS chinrest available, modified slightly by my luthier so it could rotate on the plane I wanted it to rotate in. The kreddle works well for me as it adjusts exactly the way I wanted the SAS to adjust, and is similar in plate style.

I don’t think the kreddle is for the people with short necks who could already go around not using a shoulder rest without problems.

If you do make substantial changes to the height and placement & style of your chinrest, be prepared to make similarly significant changes to the height, placement & style of your shoulder rest.

I do believe that chinrests should be adjusted—too often students just use the chinrest that came with the instrument they rented or purchased. Each time I come across an adjustable chinrest, or a chinrest customization idea, I stick it on a pinterest board so I can remember it.

Chinrest Pinterest.

P.S. I just found that the SAA has Malva Freymuth’s article on customizing shoulder rests and chinrests online. That was an eye-opening article for me the first time I read it and was one of the things that made me think “oh. Maybe a taller, tilt-able chinrest would help …”

Alan Duncan said: Sep 29, 2014
Alan Duncan
Suzuki Association Member
Violin
60 posts

The Kréddle is interesting. It takes some fiddling around to find the right adjustments.

My concern about this particular chin rest is that the surface area of contact with the top is quite small. This means that the friction between the top and the chin rest is less. Consequently I’ve noticed frequent slippage toward the bottom of the instrument no matter how well-aligned the Kréddle is when I mount it. Perhaps part of the problem is that the the wide range of positions that this chin rest can be place in creates unusual leverage on the mounting bracket.

I may try to fix this issue by cutting a somewhat larger piece of thin cork on which to mount it.

Overall, I found it very comfortable.

Katherine said: Oct 1, 2014
 
Suzuki Association Member
Violin
75 posts

Thank you everyone for your comments/suggestions. It’s taking some time still to try out various adjustments (and working with these small screws is making me aware I need to get reading glasses!), but I am finding that the Kreddle is working well for this student. She is now able to hold the violin securely without tilting her head to the left. We still need to figure out what is going to work best for shoulder rest, as she still needs a shoulder rest IMO but the simple foam rest she has been using is too high now.

This student does not have an unusually long neck and for now is using the mid-height setting/post.

I do see the issue with slippage as possibly being a problem (noted above).

I suspect that less expensive options would have worked as well, but we are in a location where there are no violin shops nearby where one could try out different set ups.

It has certainly not solved all the posture problems but it definitely has us going in a much better direction.

Jennifer Visick said: Oct 1, 2014
Jennifer VisickForum Moderator
Suzuki Association Member
Viola, Suzuki in the Schools, Violin
998 posts

If you like the shape / support of the foam rest she’s been using but the only problem with the new chinrest is the shoulder sponge’s height, you may be able to shave off the height of the sponge incrementally till you find what works for her. A good pair of scissors and some determination works when cutting down shoulder sponges, but what works even better, if you’ve got it handy, is an electric carving knife (with all the usual caution proper to using electric carving knives).

Using the electric carving knife is a tip I got from the people at FoamMart, when I was buying a sheet of foam to make a bunch of shoulder rests out of for a public school several years back: sponge/foam can be easily carved or sliced with an electric carving knife (the kind you might use for thanksgiving turkey). We were making about 40 shoulder rests at the time and after planning the cuts, the carving knife worked easily, and well. I recently needed a few more and—not having time to make a trip to the foam mart—found one of those thick yellow auto-washing sponges at the local pharmacy/convenience store and sliced it into various sizes for a new group of pre-twinkle students.

Katherine said: Oct 2, 2014
 
Suzuki Association Member
Violin
75 posts

That makes sense and worth trying—thank you!

Erin Rushforth said: Dec 14, 2014
Erin Rushforth
Suzuki Association Member
Violin, Suzuki Early Childhood Education, Suzuki in the Schools
San Antonio, TX
19 posts

Just wanted to add that I’ve been using a Kréddle for about 3 months now. It has helped me reduce tension in my left hand, arm, and shoulder.

Laura Nerenberg said: Dec 15, 2014
Laura Nerenberg
Suzuki Association Member
Violin
Ottawa, ON
50 posts

Am watching this video with great interest—and plan to watch the whole series:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k3ikzIRkr0U

It seems that he may have had some Alexander Technique training, the talk about where the neck ends is the clue.

So interesting,
Laura

Heather Figi said: Dec 16, 2014
Heather FigiViolin
Eugene, OR
97 posts

I really appreciate the feedback your help in getting the word out about such a unique product. Without this forum, I would have not heard of this.

I have watched some of his videos and find this very compelling and have been planning to order.

Sincerely, HF

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